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Comedian Jay Jurden has a great joke about sports, gossip, and men--“Sports analysis is just gossip between games. It’s how men do their Real Housewives watching.” 😆😆😆 https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0J34BDgMAF/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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I worked for ESPN for nearly a decade and can say that sports is absolutely the same as celebrity gossip, and should not be taken any more seriously than celebrity gossip. It’s all the same!

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ESPeN? What the hell is ESPeN? A 24 hour sports network? HAHHAHA. That's never going to work! That's just dumb!

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It’s wild how much power they had for so long, and how far they have come since fragmentation of the internet, news gathering, cord cutting, etc. I dodged a bullet by leaving in 2014!

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But also, there’s always so much money in those sports networks. I’m sure it was decent $$ at the time.

Here’s that original clip BTW. In case others thought I was losing my mind.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpeq4nF5EJE

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Bwahaha such a great movie, and scene!

Oh yeah, there was lots of money to be made there and I am grateful for the experience! Thanks to them, I paid for school, home(s) and have been living on savings while building a cancer support startup! Sports rule! 🤪

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I think the Nia Long and Ime Udoka situation is a prime example of how gossip is central in their machinations. Those streets were TALKING, and Stephen Smith was dropping receipts like he was in PR.

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Sports mess is good mess. Bomani Jones is my favorite gossip (I mean sports journalist) because he's always tossing in details that eventually make connections when you pay attention. These men are CHAT-TY.

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Mine too! “Play the music” ain’t nothing but all the real salacious chatter that can’t be broadcast. LMAO Listen there are a million sports podcasts and sports radio talk shows and they are not spending hours talking offensive and defensive schemes!

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I forwarded the mailbag newsletter to my husband because of your hilarious story about Ohtani. (I never in a million years thought this was going to happen! But in gossip we unite)

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I fell for the tracker. I'm not of the opinion that it's not gossip of course, but I was ALL IN on that gossip. We SO could have used that boy in this city.

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As a Braves fan I saw we the early “quiet contenders for him” and got marginally excited. Then when I saw he signed for $700MM I just laughed and laughed and laughed. We were never even in the same galaxy.

Here’s a question we ponder in our house - who is a bigger rockstar in Japan: ohtani or hideki matsuyama? The Japanese golf media is always a few people deep around Hideki but I’m guessing Ohtani’s year this year has put him in the lead

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I live in the south and the gossip culture around coaching searches here is hilarious in that it is unverified and unhinged. Sometimes there are kernels of truth on hiring but other times it’s just truly people trying to gossip genie coaches / players (now with the transfer portal) to their preferred teams. Anytime my husband suggests X coach may be going to Y team I ask him to cite his source and it’s always a message board. Message boards are men’s DeuxMoi.

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You'll appreciate this, I'm an alumna of USC, my dad and his family are all dyed in the wool Sooners. They're still mad about Lincoln Riley even thought it's not working out for us!

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That one was a pretty sneaky hire! They had him on that plane before anyone could fire up the trackers. Definitely worked out for OU this year but will be interesting to see where it ends up in the long run.

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Message boards are men’s DeuxMoi! YES!!! 🤣

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Southern gossip is unmatched. An established boutique frequented by those in the know is always the best place to gather intel. Those men need to ask their wives.

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Laineygossip team, please listen to today's episode of the Daily. Taffy Brodesser-Akner discusses Taylor Swift. I was crying on my way to work I tell you.

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After reading this comment, I went and listened to it. And had tears in my eyes too!

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I love the insights into the issue Meghan and Harry face in terms of over-exposure and balancing their past/future, and I'm so curious if you all think their situation is particularly unique or if there's any other celebrity (or maybe combination of celebrities) who could be a good template to draw from in terms of how to approach PR at this moment? The closest I can think of in terms of the exposure dilemma is Taylor Swift or the Kardashians, but the former has her exposure built in part on her work and the latter thrive on notoriety in a way that I imagine would be (understandably) difficult for Meghan and Harry.

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Probably Brangelina back at launch. When they were having kids and building their humanitarian reps yet still plagued by the infidelity rumors. For them, like Harry and Meghan, the only way out is through. Brangelina were able to become an unstoppable force, at least for a while, because their messaging and personas were so consistent, and most importantly, backed up by the work. Harry and Meghan just need to get on with the work, and eventually that will become the number one thing.

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I was thinking that too, and then something coalesced for me re: their PR hires... I know two of their communications directors bc I worked with them at NYC Public Schools. One left before the current head of global comms came in. Both were press secretary for the largest school district in the country. I don't know them personally so this has just been a bit of well, gossip, that I texted a couple work friends about. I haven't given it much thought. But this question about what their PR strategy could be to manage the overexposure has me thinking about just how applicable they are as a client to the monolithic NYC Public Schools - there are 1,600 schools/ buildings, roughly 1 million students and 130,000 employees. SOMETHING BAD IS ALWAYS - sometimes literally - and the local tabloids, the New York Post and the Daily News can make appointed officials feel like they are in a fish bowl. (The Post cover of my boss "jumping ship" when she left for another district in Georgia mocked up a photo of her jumping off the Titanic!) So the press team did/ does pitch positive press stories about schools, but so much of the comms teams job is putting out the fires bc there is not way to control all the stuff happening. In a weird way, stay with me here, they are a monolith that can't control what everyone is saying about them. So the PR job is in some ways defense rather than as simple as just representing one celebrity with a strategic career and brand narrative. The comms team works to keep H&M focused and not make any bad story any bigger and help keep them focusing on the good work.

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I think that's it. They're doing good work. The papers are dragging them for things unrelated and they are trying to work without making it a photoshoot. Brangelina definitely philanthropy-washed their images. You can't talk about someone's very obvious infideltiy while their doing charitable things in American society. The monarchy is supposed to be about work, but they want claps and pictures for work. H&M have to make sure the work is solid and effective. Not making the bad story bigger seems to be their game plan. It seems that everything is bad even when it's normal. The same demographic of white women that adore Oprah and champion her efforts with "her girls", have an issue with Meghan and just about anything she does and a very big lot of "very conscious" bias is why their work is battling up hill. The narrative sells and one day she'll (rightly) flip off a camera and everyone can be satisfied with finally getting what they knew her to be all along in their twisted imaginations. They (mostly Meghan) are going to have to stride the line between Oprah and Madonna levels of not caring. Oprah does not do apology tours often (she's probably apologized when necessary). Madonna has never been expected to apologize and Meghan has to get between there as she works. She's a try-hard so it is going to take a while. She needs to do more homework on journalists she deals with because there's just not a lot of "trying hard" that they won't pick up on. She did well with Oprah because I'm sure Oprah had a bit of auntie energy. Your aunt is coming for the truth, and not the fluff. Find your middle ground. One of the best stories I like is when Rebel Wilson tried to share a negative story, but it really just made her mom look rude and nosy. She needs to start giving more people the business that deserve it. That's going to take MUCH work because a try-hard uses "nice" like it's magic sauce. Reminds me of Ron Kirk who was in a press conference, and he's always been nice because he was the first black mayor. He had no choice. Someone yelled something rude, and he broke character and told that person to "go to hell" and then went back to his nice voice in the press conference and kept addressing the press. She needs to start doing more of whatever she gave Rebel Wilson's mom. More people deserve it.

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Agree, agree, agree. I think you are on it. M would be well served by researching journalists that she can build relationships with (and how her team can give access to her w/o her getting too comfy during the interview), PLUS, your point about Oprah and Madonna and no apologies, that's it. That's all of it. M is excellent, but "what got her here, won't get her there." She's skilled and she and H bounced and all in all have a happy and healthy and wealthy family. That's not nothing... BUT, she could benefit from a politics/ business/ celeb ceo/ power cohort mastermind peer-mentorship coaching situation where she gets to the next level, No F*cks level. I read reviews of her podcast and they said she held back, she didn't match energy, didn't mirror the level of transparency or sharing. Maybe it was too soon for her? No matter. When she gets in front of another mic there should be a storytelling, transparency arc-strategy in place that re-introduces her step by step to those who want her to succeed. It's a slow build. It's about building reps and not eyeballs. Interview-by-interview. Every speaking engagement. Every visit. Go small. Don't invite media. In less time than it takes others to spend all their money and good will, she can solidify her persona. I think this will happen. If not now, then once their kids are middle school age (U.S.).

P.S. You need to put "Try-Hard Uses "Nice" Like It's a Magic Sauce." on a pillow in cross-stitch (or I do!) because that's not gonna get ANY of us anywhere. (The other side can say, #gotohell and "more people deserve it.")

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I want to know too!

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I do think that while Harry and Meghan aren't out there doing big projects, there have been a lot of articles lately that kind of point in the direction of them leaking and tying them to the BRF, and it feels like the same kind of connectedness of the Jen Aniston/Brangelina triangle where even when the parties claimed to not care anymore, there was a ton of behind the scenes maneuvering happening.

I am also wondering why is the judgement he got today considered landmark - because reading the NYT article it sounded like it was tied to the phone hacking from around 2010 and none of it seemed to be from when Harry and Meghan were together? Not trying to be dismissive, but just trying to understand how it's all connected to the nastiness and racism of 2017 - current.

I will say, I am by no means a defender of the BRF but my frustration with those two is that they want the sympathy and support of those who actively oppose the monarchy (like me) and also seem to still want the appearance of closeness or being part of it (like ensuring their kids are titled) and it's another instance of them not being clear on what their brand is. And makes it hard sometimes to get fully behind them.

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I think one of the big reasons today’s judgement is significant is that the judge indicates numerous high-ranking executives (Piers Morgan being named specifically in the ruling) knew this was happening, covered it up/destroyed evidence, even while they were testifying under oath in other cases/inquiries that they knew nothing. It also highlights the highly unethical reporting that is still ongoing (Harry’s statement used the term ‘vendetta journalism’) by the same umbrella group of media outlets while they are being sued by him- and have now been found guilty in at least one of those cases. These outlets repeatedly try to poke holes in everything Harry says or does and then report on that - to the point where I think a large part of the public don’t trust him at all. I think it is strategic on their part because it has allowed them to avoid any responsibility so today’s judgement shows they have been lying all along.

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That's valid criticism. They have no issue with the way monarchy works. They wanted to stay. This would be something to discuss, and not the vapid things they try to make an issue about them. The racism towards Meghan was what makes this different than just a family tiff. Their brand is the work and they've stuck with that. I think there's room to criticize the monarchy issue and still see that her life being in danger and his family not lifting a finger while actively helping the media to increase the death threats is diabolical. Harry using the old cases and point out that it was criminal then and not addressed so he can make a wider claim for what they're doing to them now makes sense to me. I think if we watched this being told as a regular rich family on 20/20 then it would be apparent. This family is giving Murdaugh.

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I also think the family briefing against them to the UK media makes this more than a family tiff. The protection of Christian Jones despite the fact that Scotland Yard had information he was leaking to Dan Wootton is what makes this insane. Since when does a staffer leaking to the media get protected over an actual family member? And why? That’s what we need to ask. Because I bet if a staffer did this about Andrew they would already be fired and not promoted.

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Oct 12th, 2023: As mentioned yesterday, I’ve been reading what I can to stay informed about the war between Israel and Hamas, thank you to those of you who’ve reached and sent articles and other resources. That is the intention – to learn so that I can better understand and to, hopefully, do this in community with others who are also horrified by these events. But as we have said often here on this site, intention and impact are two different things. And some of the feedback I received yesterday is that what I shared was incomplete, and that that oversight could result in more harm, more dehumanisation, because I was not clear enough in my post that both Israelis and Palestinians have been killed, injured, displaced, orphaned, taken hostage, and continue to fear for their lives and the lives of their loved ones. Aid is being denied entry in Gaza where nearly half the population is children. All of this is wrong. As one reader wrote to say, “A loss of human life should be mourned regardless of the region that human lives in -- Palestinian or Israeli.”

I am grateful for the criticism, and I will keep trying.

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It’s so illuminating to hear your take on it, and you nailed it! Now I understand why everyone is saying the British media is responsible...because they keep them in the public mindset even when H&M aren’t actively trying to be in it. It’s also interesting about the PR aspect not being the issue, you’re right. And it goes back to your original point about social media being so influential. I assumed it was their PR but in reality, it’s just all the news stories about them. Based on the legal cases they may be in this limbo state for many more years:

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The sports shade always cracks me up on LG😂😂They’re literally my internal thoughts whenever I’m watching my show in the control room at work.

Someone else produces the sports segment of my show and every time I hear a soundbite, i just think: “SAME SHIT DIFF DAY,” like major eye roll, but here he is thinking they need the extra time for the basic bro-ey soundbite. It may be a different player but its the same boring “ums” and “we played hard but uh we just gotta change the play.” Im like nooo dont waste my show time on that predictable trash😮‍💨😂

Sports bros are so hot but so dumb. They act like their content (athletes and sports producers included) that their content is so revolutionary and should be at the top of our show. It fucking grinds my gears.

I want stories on murder and politics. Not this crap.

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Thank you for answering my question, Sarah and Lainey! I was taught that data isn’t very useful without context, so I guess Netflix’s move makes sense from their end. I’m just sad for the talent that works so hard on shows and movies that Netflix profits from. They could use that data to really advocate for themselves.

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Loved the questions and answers this week! Thinking about George Clooney gossiping about The Gos’ accent and his Canadian roots 🤣!

The Blue Jays story and private jet tracking turning out to be Robert from Shark Tank! 💀

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I do wonder if the Canadian actors gossip less than the American ones do though. I have strong suspicions thats the case.

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Also.. the thought process that goes through picking genres for nominations is interesting. I had no idea they factored that in. I thought it was solely based on the type of movie.

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I want to clarify I love my sports producer but not interested in his content 😅

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