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I am going to disagree with Duana--Rachel McAdams is Gen X. Which means so is Duana! If you want to be really specific I think they fall into the category of Xennial/Lucky Ones/Oregon Trail generation. They're on the cusp between Gen X and Millennials.
There is an actual math equation for this. If you were 20 before the turn of the millennium you're not a Millennial. That generation is called "Millennial" because they (we) came of age at the millennium.
I like the term “cuspers” because it does feel like we’re straddling between two groups. I was too young to understand all the Gen X movies and music my brother would engage with, but I’m also sometimes puzzled by my (squarely) Millennial boyfriend’s references.
Update: per what I said in my answer about how we map out LaineyGossip every day - only one of the planned posts from last night has made it to the site today: the Swans. I just finished writing it and it should be posted by 1pm ET. This is what I mean about constantly changing my mind and/or having to reshuffle things depending on what's out there on any given day.
But now I’m very curious what you were going to post about Olivia Wilde! Interested to hear about her dating life and new film produced by Margot’s production company.
LOVE the inside baseball of the site and SNL! Sent that video to friends and family--so fascinating. Such a great mailbag today--thank you!
Rachel McAdams is a year older than I am and I think “categorically” that fits in GenX, but I feel more millennial. I think largely because GenX seems so specific in attitude/ennui toward the world and life. It’s almost as though you needed to be in your 20s or early 30s in the 90s to be truly GenX.
That probably explains it. My older brother was born in '75 and he influenced a lot of my angsty thinking. He listened to Rage Against the Machine, Beastie Boys, Nirvana, NWA...but I think the fact that we were the first young adults to adopt technology puts us in an extremely unique category. I remember going to my first job with my giant iPod and feeling like a baller
Agree. Mid-'79 here, husband is late '78, younger brother is '82. I don't think we absorbed the same culture as a real GenXer (and also, I feel like we generally had things easier than they did). My youngest is younger than Rachel's and wow I feel old running around after a 1.5 year old when I'm almost 45.
The Faculty of Celebrity Studies needs a course called “Oscar Prestige as an Economic and Social Construction.” The historical context on this is so interesting!
I almost feel like there needs to be something between gen x and millennials. I feel like people born from the mid 70’s to the early 80’s early had a different experience growing up than those before and after. A child of the eights but so heavily influenced by the 90’s and early 2000’s. I definitely don’t feel as connected to the experiences of early gen x ers as I do to elder millennials.
I agree that we’re a unique bunch. I don’t feel connected to either Gen X or Millennials tbh. My brother is a ‘76 baby, and I think he considers himself Gen X. Also, if you’re a ‘76 baby too that means you’re a Dragon, and your year is coming up!
I agree with this. We saw the beginning of the personal computer and video games but we had old school things like rotary phones and the machine that copies school things with the purple pre Xerox. I would place this as 75 to 85 as a micro generation.
Rachel McAdams is two years older than me and I don’t consider myself a millennial at all, but I’ve also always felt reluctant to label myself as Gen X. I feel like this is in the same realm of both Barack and Michelle Obama being boomers. Like - imagine someone going “ok boomer” to Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama.
Rachel has that It Girl factor. Even with her small part in SNL, I felt something. I bet she's taking time off to be with her kids and will come back strong. And what's this about her living in a commune?? No judgement just it's the first I've heard of it
Selfishly, I enjoy her career. I wish more could afford to do the same. It's probably unsustainable financially. There's very few choices she makes that aren't interesting to me. I haven't seen Game Night, but her lines "Oh no, he diiiiied". Connect on levels on top of levels especially when a character in retribution that the audience supports to be ended. 'Are you there God? It's me, Margaret ' is a sweet movie in tone while hitting people in their reality. Rachel is a gift.
Same! Adore her, and wish she’d be in higher profile films. But perhaps she’s happier living life more off the grid as a mom/wife who is more selective with projects and promotion away from CA. Really interested to know more about the commune-style living I hear she’s in. People have made reference to it but can’t find any details and that sounds wild to me for a movie star.
I LOVE the most famous person in the world question and really appreciate Sarah widening the lens way past a North American focus. I’m from Chicago (and area) and when I travel I always like to hear who locals associate with my hometown. In the 80’s in France it was Al Capone. In the 90’s in Australia it was Michael Jordan. Late 2000’s in Kenya - Barack Obama of course. A couple years ago in Indonesia, surprisingly, it was Michael Jordan again. International sports have enormous reach so I co-sign Messi and Ronaldo as the most famous right now!
I was in southern Spain this time last year, and when I told a man that I lived in Chicago, he yelled in my face "MICHAEL JORDAN!!!" and then kept periodically finding me to shout "MICHAEL JORDAN!!!" The Jordan-Chicago association runs STRONG and DEEP (as it should).
Unrelated to famous people, but I had the same experience in the south of France except the man found out I was from Canada and would keep coming over to me and shouting “Ice-Road Truckers!” Which I later gathered was a TV show I had never seen.
I was in Ethiopia a few years ago with some other Canadians and we went out for a drink one night with our hosts. The minute we walked in, the music changed from really danceable Ethiopian music to Justin Bieber, Sorry. 😅
okay, I'll put my hand up as someone who thought Robert Pattinson's Twilight hair was his own. Because it looked good and natural, and most of the other wigs in the Twilight series were trash! I can see how getting all that lift in front required some etra help, but props to the hair team for making it look good. Which brings up a question - how did hair and makeup look good in the first movie, but was so dreadful in the sequels?
I did too, but in our defense, Robert Pattinson styled his hair (*to the extent that he would ever "style" his hair) on carpets during that time frame as very... voluminous, shall we say, so I don't think it was naive to have believed his film hair was his real hair!
I laughed out loud at Donna from SNL carrying JLO on her back!! JLO OF ALL PEOPLE!
Was it Donna who was accidentally caught on camera with Aidy Bryant a few years ago? I loved that - it felt like see big foot or something.
Elder millennials are a different breed. Some of my gen-x friends/relatives may as well be boomers when it comes to technology, social media and pop culture.
I was born in early January 84 and definitely feel like a Xennial or Old Millennial. I think a lot of it is due to the changes in technology that occurred as we came of age. As an example, the age we were when we got our first, very basic, cell phone vs younger millennials (90s babies) getting more advanced cell phones younger. I have friends who are the 90s kids and they remember VHS but not like us older ones do. Older millennials also remember the 90s economic boom better, a lot of us graduated college before the great recession. We became adults in a different economy and political climate which I think also has an effect on where people feel like they land within the generation.
This makes a ton of sense. I graduated in '03 and I had ~5 years of work experience before the crash in 08. Which meant I had my starter job, my slightly better job and was in my 'big' corporate job for 1.5yrs before they froze/severely limited hiring for 3-4 years. So I was in a stable corporate job with old school benefits (pension, health/dental/vision) and didn't really 'feel' the recession the same way those graduating in say '06-2010 would (fired, not hired for entry level jobs or suddenly competing with Gen-X for any jobs that were open). I can see where 'the lucky ones' name came from in that regard. It was pure luck that I avoided the full impact of that crash.
Wait what how did my comment become a question?? LOL I comment here before I've finished reading the mailbag as I'm too excited. I can see the confusion on Gen X vs Millenial. I have the angsty bitterness of Gen X combined with the impatient tech savvy of a Millennial.
I just heard someone discussing the "snubs" of Margot and Greta. They made two, what I consider to be, really good points. With regard to Margot's snub and people saying that 'her not being nominated, just proves the whole thesis of the Barbie movie'. According to this person, this is inherently false, because who did she lose out to? Other women. It's not like she lost her nomination to a man. As for Greta not being nominated while the movie is nominated, there are 10 slots for movies, and 5 for directors. Thus, by its very nature, the Oscars are set up so that not every director that has a movie nominated, can be themselves be nominated.
If they hadn't nominated Annette Bening in Nyad, I wouldn't blink at Margot not being nominated. But that feels like a "show up" nomination, and in such a competitive year, there's no reason to nominate someone just for making a movie unless you're specifically trying NOT to nominate someone else. It just really looks like they took any opportunity not to nominate Barbie that they could.
Same for the director category. Super competitive, and yeah, there's not the same number of spots as best picture. But the attitude seems to be "we can only have one woman at a time" in that category which is bullshit, and clearly they did not want to take Barbie as seriously as a movie like Poor Things, which has very similar themes. I don't find Poor Things better than Barbie, however, so I would have given Yorgos's nomination to Greta.
I'm sure there are people who like Poor Things better than Barbie, but to those people I would ask, why? Is it because it has a sheen of seriousness and Barbie doesn't?
Agree with this point. For me, the Margot acting nomination would feel less like a snub if that Annette Bening spot had gone to Greta Lee. Or even Natalie Portman or Julianne Moore.
This might be a stupid question but.... If the Academy members only vote for people in their own branches doesn't that mean that actresses are voting for only other actresses? Like, do the actors vote for actress nominees? Or does gender not matter in these categories and if you're a member of the performers branch you vote in all four categories?
It's only for nominations. Actors nominate actors (meaning all 4 categories), directors nominate directors, editors nominate editors, etc. And everybody nominates for Best Picture.
Then, in final voting, all Academy members can vote in every category. That's why the sound award is usually fucked up. The sound editors/designers usually do a good job with nominations (Godzilla Minus One! Zone of Interest!), but then the award is wonky because everyone else weighs in and most of them don't understand sound design at all. Watch Oppenheimer, the loudest movie, win over Zone of Interest, hands DOWN the best use of sound in 2023.
I’m looking for the same info Jocelyn but I just haven’t given it the time. If I find a good breakdown I’ll share. Or maybe someone at LaineyGossip has it handy?
You make valid points. However, if we're just going to look broadly at Margot's 'snub' and the common premise right now that her snub just proves the thesis laid out in the movie, wouldn't you agree that it's a false premise, given that she lost the nomination to another woman, and not a man?
No, because it's not that she lost the nomination to another woman, it's about what they're taking seriously and what they're not. The supposition is that they will take Ryan Gosling more seriously than Margot. It's not about comparing Margot to the other women in her category, it's asking why will you nominate him but not her?
Although I still would have nominated her over Annette Bening. I did not like Nyad!
I've been afraid to say it, but totally agree. 10 slots vs 5 means there will ALWAYS be a snub. And, as a proud feminist, I've been so, so nervous to admit, um, FOR ME!! Ryan Gosling made the movie. I loved his performance and he can play a hilarious douchebag so well. Margot was awesome, just in a different way. She can carry the movie and be its heart and soul, while also leaving space for RG being deserving of his nomination. It isn't either/or. I feel for her. Her actual nomination as a producer is being overshadowed by this supposed 'snub'.
I watch men's hairlines. After the illusion was removed about Ted Danson's not quite so luscious head of hair (that poor man had a massive hole and kid me was stunned to find out that it was a unit *Katt Williams voice*). I now watch Steve Harvey reruns and stare at his perfect hair line that was TV magic in amazement. Then wonder what was the process of fading to bald and when it happened? I'm an unrepentant Hallmark movie consumer where I have yet to solve the mystery of Tyler Hynes' hairline. It's a wig? It's covering a different color? Who choose the look? Is it real???
As far as the Oscars, it's definitely coveted. Whom has it not made much of a change for in bargaining? Would Denzel not be Denzel as far as box office and pay without it? Are there women who have made this trophy propel them? What about nonwhite women (Yalitza Aparicio)? It seems like it's definitely prestigious, while having to be publicly flogged for the centimeter of progress if the Civil Rights era is used as a gauge. I think Sarah mentioned 7/20. Since the mid 60s, they've made it to 7/20. Imagine keeping your job with a 7/20? Being patted on the head at NASA with a 7/20. The bigger strides being because you were dragged with a hashtag less than a decade ago?? Zaslav is canceling shows with better than 7/20. It says something about marketing and rarity that keeps these artists trying to grasp this trophy. I get it, but I don't respect it. As a show, and please don't take this as shade, I checked out when they had Beyonce sing everyone's song that was nominated. The ONE time you get at this rare moment and this lady is taking your moment for ratings??? Unserious (I still don't think this is a word). Absurd. Enjoy it if it's your yum. Let's just not pretend 7/20 since the Civil Rights era is putting up good numbers as a long list exists of "firsts" for so many ethnic representations to start. I'm still hoping Lily and America Ferrera win, while embodying the Issa Rae "I'm rooting for everybody Black (and nonwhite, even when a few favs are white)". I was endearingly laughing at Lainey thinking Rihanna was voting for Barbie and not the culture. She's a billionaire (they lose touch at that stage) now so maybe Lainey could be correct. I hope all who watch get a good show. Maybe JT will show up? Do a skit with Jimmy? Add Ellen?
Well, I have to agree about the Beyonce thing. It bothered me at the time, that instead of the people who were actually associated with the songs, they had her sing them all. And it wasn't that great. I know there is a great deal of Beyonce love around here, and she is definitely a talented visionary who deserves the accolades she gets. So I don't want to detract from any of that. But I feel that was a bad decision by the Oscar powers that be.
It was the moment I stopped watching the entire thing. Removing the nominees from their work? It reminds me of JLo singing a Motown tribute? Why would anyone think that made ANY sense!!??? WHY did Steve Mackey tell her it was okay for her to represent the culture when she's not apart of it?? Then again, people can convince themselves if they decide there's some correlation in their own experience...then who cares about being respectful??? That's an topic on it's own. Andrew Scott had to explain word choice, but I bet someone else nonwhite explained to deaf ears far before that. Imagine someone trying to explain things to production?? Where are the Andrew Scott types in production of the Oscars? People worked hard to create their various work. Do them proud.
I am going to disagree with Duana--Rachel McAdams is Gen X. Which means so is Duana! If you want to be really specific I think they fall into the category of Xennial/Lucky Ones/Oregon Trail generation. They're on the cusp between Gen X and Millennials.
There is an actual math equation for this. If you were 20 before the turn of the millennium you're not a Millennial. That generation is called "Millennial" because they (we) came of age at the millennium.
You know how some people call themselves "old Millenials"? Then maybe we can be "young Gen Xers"
I like the term “cuspers” because it does feel like we’re straddling between two groups. I was too young to understand all the Gen X movies and music my brother would engage with, but I’m also sometimes puzzled by my (squarely) Millennial boyfriend’s references.
Lucky Ones and Oregon Trail Dragon??? I have to Google this...
I was born in 78, same as Rachel McAdams, and have always considered myself a young Gen Xer.
Update: per what I said in my answer about how we map out LaineyGossip every day - only one of the planned posts from last night has made it to the site today: the Swans. I just finished writing it and it should be posted by 1pm ET. This is what I mean about constantly changing my mind and/or having to reshuffle things depending on what's out there on any given day.
But now I’m very curious what you were going to post about Olivia Wilde! Interested to hear about her dating life and new film produced by Margot’s production company.
LOVE the inside baseball of the site and SNL! Sent that video to friends and family--so fascinating. Such a great mailbag today--thank you!
I also want to know what's going on with Olivia!! She is fascinating to me, multi-talented and a bit of a bad b.
Rachel McAdams is a year older than I am and I think “categorically” that fits in GenX, but I feel more millennial. I think largely because GenX seems so specific in attitude/ennui toward the world and life. It’s almost as though you needed to be in your 20s or early 30s in the 90s to be truly GenX.
Oregon Trail gen here too, born in 1982. We are a unique bunch!
we are Xennials
I’m constantly a little dismayed at how far I have to scroll down to select my birth year of 1983.
It's so rude.
That probably explains it. My older brother was born in '75 and he influenced a lot of my angsty thinking. He listened to Rage Against the Machine, Beastie Boys, Nirvana, NWA...but I think the fact that we were the first young adults to adopt technology puts us in an extremely unique category. I remember going to my first job with my giant iPod and feeling like a baller
yes, just like on the other side there are Xoomers - people on the cusp between Boomers and Gen X. They never knew the 50's or the "good old days".
I was 17 in 1993 and am firmly Gen X. I object to the notion of someone in their early 30s in the 90s as Gen X.
Agree. Mid-'79 here, husband is late '78, younger brother is '82. I don't think we absorbed the same culture as a real GenXer (and also, I feel like we generally had things easier than they did). My youngest is younger than Rachel's and wow I feel old running around after a 1.5 year old when I'm almost 45.
The Faculty of Celebrity Studies needs a course called “Oscar Prestige as an Economic and Social Construction.” The historical context on this is so interesting!
I almost feel like there needs to be something between gen x and millennials. I feel like people born from the mid 70’s to the early 80’s early had a different experience growing up than those before and after. A child of the eights but so heavily influenced by the 90’s and early 2000’s. I definitely don’t feel as connected to the experiences of early gen x ers as I do to elder millennials.
They call us Xennials, a micro generation between 77 and 83. Truth is I'm sure there are other micro generations amongst the other generations too.
Ha, of course there is already something! I'm totally a Xennial even though I'm a '76 baby.
I agree that we’re a unique bunch. I don’t feel connected to either Gen X or Millennials tbh. My brother is a ‘76 baby, and I think he considers himself Gen X. Also, if you’re a ‘76 baby too that means you’re a Dragon, and your year is coming up!
I agree with this. We saw the beginning of the personal computer and video games but we had old school things like rotary phones and the machine that copies school things with the purple pre Xerox. I would place this as 75 to 85 as a micro generation.
Rachel McAdams is two years older than me and I don’t consider myself a millennial at all, but I’ve also always felt reluctant to label myself as Gen X. I feel like this is in the same realm of both Barack and Michelle Obama being boomers. Like - imagine someone going “ok boomer” to Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama.
Rachel has that It Girl factor. Even with her small part in SNL, I felt something. I bet she's taking time off to be with her kids and will come back strong. And what's this about her living in a commune?? No judgement just it's the first I've heard of it
Selfishly, I enjoy her career. I wish more could afford to do the same. It's probably unsustainable financially. There's very few choices she makes that aren't interesting to me. I haven't seen Game Night, but her lines "Oh no, he diiiiied". Connect on levels on top of levels especially when a character in retribution that the audience supports to be ended. 'Are you there God? It's me, Margaret ' is a sweet movie in tone while hitting people in their reality. Rachel is a gift.
Same! Adore her, and wish she’d be in higher profile films. But perhaps she’s happier living life more off the grid as a mom/wife who is more selective with projects and promotion away from CA. Really interested to know more about the commune-style living I hear she’s in. People have made reference to it but can’t find any details and that sounds wild to me for a movie star.
A commune?? Do tell. Maybe don't. No....do. I think??
lol the men’s hair thing is a minor plot point in Curtis Sittenfeld’s SNL-esque behind the scenes novel “Romantic Comedy”
Really want this to be made into a movie!!
I LOVE the most famous person in the world question and really appreciate Sarah widening the lens way past a North American focus. I’m from Chicago (and area) and when I travel I always like to hear who locals associate with my hometown. In the 80’s in France it was Al Capone. In the 90’s in Australia it was Michael Jordan. Late 2000’s in Kenya - Barack Obama of course. A couple years ago in Indonesia, surprisingly, it was Michael Jordan again. International sports have enormous reach so I co-sign Messi and Ronaldo as the most famous right now!
I was in southern Spain this time last year, and when I told a man that I lived in Chicago, he yelled in my face "MICHAEL JORDAN!!!" and then kept periodically finding me to shout "MICHAEL JORDAN!!!" The Jordan-Chicago association runs STRONG and DEEP (as it should).
Unrelated to famous people, but I had the same experience in the south of France except the man found out I was from Canada and would keep coming over to me and shouting “Ice-Road Truckers!” Which I later gathered was a TV show I had never seen.
I was in Ethiopia a few years ago with some other Canadians and we went out for a drink one night with our hosts. The minute we walked in, the music changed from really danceable Ethiopian music to Justin Bieber, Sorry. 😅
People showed up in the RAIN for Messi recently. That man is doing numbers in popularity.
Also from Chicago and this tracks!
okay, I'll put my hand up as someone who thought Robert Pattinson's Twilight hair was his own. Because it looked good and natural, and most of the other wigs in the Twilight series were trash! I can see how getting all that lift in front required some etra help, but props to the hair team for making it look good. Which brings up a question - how did hair and makeup look good in the first movie, but was so dreadful in the sequels?
I did too, but in our defense, Robert Pattinson styled his hair (*to the extent that he would ever "style" his hair) on carpets during that time frame as very... voluminous, shall we say, so I don't think it was naive to have believed his film hair was his real hair!
I laughed out loud at Donna from SNL carrying JLO on her back!! JLO OF ALL PEOPLE!
Was it Donna who was accidentally caught on camera with Aidy Bryant a few years ago? I loved that - it felt like see big foot or something.
Elder millennials are a different breed. Some of my gen-x friends/relatives may as well be boomers when it comes to technology, social media and pop culture.
Donna sounds like an absolute boss!! I've never noticed her in-between skits but now I have to keep an eye out.
I was born in early January 84 and definitely feel like a Xennial or Old Millennial. I think a lot of it is due to the changes in technology that occurred as we came of age. As an example, the age we were when we got our first, very basic, cell phone vs younger millennials (90s babies) getting more advanced cell phones younger. I have friends who are the 90s kids and they remember VHS but not like us older ones do. Older millennials also remember the 90s economic boom better, a lot of us graduated college before the great recession. We became adults in a different economy and political climate which I think also has an effect on where people feel like they land within the generation.
This makes a ton of sense. I graduated in '03 and I had ~5 years of work experience before the crash in 08. Which meant I had my starter job, my slightly better job and was in my 'big' corporate job for 1.5yrs before they froze/severely limited hiring for 3-4 years. So I was in a stable corporate job with old school benefits (pension, health/dental/vision) and didn't really 'feel' the recession the same way those graduating in say '06-2010 would (fired, not hired for entry level jobs or suddenly competing with Gen-X for any jobs that were open). I can see where 'the lucky ones' name came from in that regard. It was pure luck that I avoided the full impact of that crash.
Wait what how did my comment become a question?? LOL I comment here before I've finished reading the mailbag as I'm too excited. I can see the confusion on Gen X vs Millenial. I have the angsty bitterness of Gen X combined with the impatient tech savvy of a Millennial.
Haha just wanted you to know I read all the comments, as promised!
Can I just live here?
Damn Duana's Reality Bites analogy holds up. We need to redefine the generational lines!
I just heard someone discussing the "snubs" of Margot and Greta. They made two, what I consider to be, really good points. With regard to Margot's snub and people saying that 'her not being nominated, just proves the whole thesis of the Barbie movie'. According to this person, this is inherently false, because who did she lose out to? Other women. It's not like she lost her nomination to a man. As for Greta not being nominated while the movie is nominated, there are 10 slots for movies, and 5 for directors. Thus, by its very nature, the Oscars are set up so that not every director that has a movie nominated, can be themselves be nominated.
If they hadn't nominated Annette Bening in Nyad, I wouldn't blink at Margot not being nominated. But that feels like a "show up" nomination, and in such a competitive year, there's no reason to nominate someone just for making a movie unless you're specifically trying NOT to nominate someone else. It just really looks like they took any opportunity not to nominate Barbie that they could.
Same for the director category. Super competitive, and yeah, there's not the same number of spots as best picture. But the attitude seems to be "we can only have one woman at a time" in that category which is bullshit, and clearly they did not want to take Barbie as seriously as a movie like Poor Things, which has very similar themes. I don't find Poor Things better than Barbie, however, so I would have given Yorgos's nomination to Greta.
I'm sure there are people who like Poor Things better than Barbie, but to those people I would ask, why? Is it because it has a sheen of seriousness and Barbie doesn't?
Agree with this point. For me, the Margot acting nomination would feel less like a snub if that Annette Bening spot had gone to Greta Lee. Or even Natalie Portman or Julianne Moore.
This might be a stupid question but.... If the Academy members only vote for people in their own branches doesn't that mean that actresses are voting for only other actresses? Like, do the actors vote for actress nominees? Or does gender not matter in these categories and if you're a member of the performers branch you vote in all four categories?
It's only for nominations. Actors nominate actors (meaning all 4 categories), directors nominate directors, editors nominate editors, etc. And everybody nominates for Best Picture.
Then, in final voting, all Academy members can vote in every category. That's why the sound award is usually fucked up. The sound editors/designers usually do a good job with nominations (Godzilla Minus One! Zone of Interest!), but then the award is wonky because everyone else weighs in and most of them don't understand sound design at all. Watch Oppenheimer, the loudest movie, win over Zone of Interest, hands DOWN the best use of sound in 2023.
I’m looking for the same info Jocelyn but I just haven’t given it the time. If I find a good breakdown I’ll share. Or maybe someone at LaineyGossip has it handy?
You make valid points. However, if we're just going to look broadly at Margot's 'snub' and the common premise right now that her snub just proves the thesis laid out in the movie, wouldn't you agree that it's a false premise, given that she lost the nomination to another woman, and not a man?
No, because it's not that she lost the nomination to another woman, it's about what they're taking seriously and what they're not. The supposition is that they will take Ryan Gosling more seriously than Margot. It's not about comparing Margot to the other women in her category, it's asking why will you nominate him but not her?
Although I still would have nominated her over Annette Bening. I did not like Nyad!
Got it. That makes sense. Re: Nyad...I loved it...lol.
I've been afraid to say it, but totally agree. 10 slots vs 5 means there will ALWAYS be a snub. And, as a proud feminist, I've been so, so nervous to admit, um, FOR ME!! Ryan Gosling made the movie. I loved his performance and he can play a hilarious douchebag so well. Margot was awesome, just in a different way. She can carry the movie and be its heart and soul, while also leaving space for RG being deserving of his nomination. It isn't either/or. I feel for her. Her actual nomination as a producer is being overshadowed by this supposed 'snub'.
Did we all see Kathleen’s take on CBC about this? I, for one, needed it: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2lE5MpP9bu/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
If you’re over 40 you’re not a millennial. Trust me. Just look at your playlists and lingo (which btw are better) lmaoo
I watch men's hairlines. After the illusion was removed about Ted Danson's not quite so luscious head of hair (that poor man had a massive hole and kid me was stunned to find out that it was a unit *Katt Williams voice*). I now watch Steve Harvey reruns and stare at his perfect hair line that was TV magic in amazement. Then wonder what was the process of fading to bald and when it happened? I'm an unrepentant Hallmark movie consumer where I have yet to solve the mystery of Tyler Hynes' hairline. It's a wig? It's covering a different color? Who choose the look? Is it real???
As far as the Oscars, it's definitely coveted. Whom has it not made much of a change for in bargaining? Would Denzel not be Denzel as far as box office and pay without it? Are there women who have made this trophy propel them? What about nonwhite women (Yalitza Aparicio)? It seems like it's definitely prestigious, while having to be publicly flogged for the centimeter of progress if the Civil Rights era is used as a gauge. I think Sarah mentioned 7/20. Since the mid 60s, they've made it to 7/20. Imagine keeping your job with a 7/20? Being patted on the head at NASA with a 7/20. The bigger strides being because you were dragged with a hashtag less than a decade ago?? Zaslav is canceling shows with better than 7/20. It says something about marketing and rarity that keeps these artists trying to grasp this trophy. I get it, but I don't respect it. As a show, and please don't take this as shade, I checked out when they had Beyonce sing everyone's song that was nominated. The ONE time you get at this rare moment and this lady is taking your moment for ratings??? Unserious (I still don't think this is a word). Absurd. Enjoy it if it's your yum. Let's just not pretend 7/20 since the Civil Rights era is putting up good numbers as a long list exists of "firsts" for so many ethnic representations to start. I'm still hoping Lily and America Ferrera win, while embodying the Issa Rae "I'm rooting for everybody Black (and nonwhite, even when a few favs are white)". I was endearingly laughing at Lainey thinking Rihanna was voting for Barbie and not the culture. She's a billionaire (they lose touch at that stage) now so maybe Lainey could be correct. I hope all who watch get a good show. Maybe JT will show up? Do a skit with Jimmy? Add Ellen?
Well, I have to agree about the Beyonce thing. It bothered me at the time, that instead of the people who were actually associated with the songs, they had her sing them all. And it wasn't that great. I know there is a great deal of Beyonce love around here, and she is definitely a talented visionary who deserves the accolades she gets. So I don't want to detract from any of that. But I feel that was a bad decision by the Oscar powers that be.
It was the moment I stopped watching the entire thing. Removing the nominees from their work? It reminds me of JLo singing a Motown tribute? Why would anyone think that made ANY sense!!??? WHY did Steve Mackey tell her it was okay for her to represent the culture when she's not apart of it?? Then again, people can convince themselves if they decide there's some correlation in their own experience...then who cares about being respectful??? That's an topic on it's own. Andrew Scott had to explain word choice, but I bet someone else nonwhite explained to deaf ears far before that. Imagine someone trying to explain things to production?? Where are the Andrew Scott types in production of the Oscars? People worked hard to create their various work. Do them proud.